> The issue is not that people don't understand how MS defines what is and is not a security boundary.
That's a communication failure, not a value system disagreement.
> The issue is that MS's definition is for the benefit of MS, not for the benefit of the user. That's a value system disagreement.
Just because two entities differ on their values that doesn't mean everything they disagree on is their values.
In this case, the fact that users and Microsoft differ on what constitutes a security boundary is 100% a definitional disagreement.
Now MS obviously has had their own values and reasons for not establishing other security boundaries people would like, and that is a value system disagreement. But even if their values agreed with yours and they hated the current design just like you, the fact of the matter would still be that user account groups are the boundaries in the current design, and that would still imply this isn't crossing a security boundary, making the disagreement on that definitional.
> that doesn't mean everything they disagree on is their values.
I never made any such claim.
> the fact that users and Microsoft differ on what constitutes a security boundary
I never made that claim either.
> MS obviously has had their own values and reasons for not establishing other security boundaries people would like, and that is a value system disagreement.
Thank you for agreeing with the claim I actually did make.
That's a communication failure, not a value system disagreement.
> The issue is that MS's definition is for the benefit of MS, not for the benefit of the user. That's a value system disagreement.
Just because two entities differ on their values that doesn't mean everything they disagree on is their values.
In this case, the fact that users and Microsoft differ on what constitutes a security boundary is 100% a definitional disagreement.
Now MS obviously has had their own values and reasons for not establishing other security boundaries people would like, and that is a value system disagreement. But even if their values agreed with yours and they hated the current design just like you, the fact of the matter would still be that user account groups are the boundaries in the current design, and that would still imply this isn't crossing a security boundary, making the disagreement on that definitional.